Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Darwin, Vaccinations and Mexicans

Today I was printing up the posters at the library for the Hug Me, I'm Vaccinated campaign, which will hit Dragon*Con in a mere nine days. Nine!

While I was printing, the attendant came up to me, looked at the table where the posters were drying, and asked, "Whooping cough?"

"There's an epidemic in California right now. You know, I was reading something from the 1950s the other day [not really the other day, but it was Martin Gardner and it may have been from the 1960s], and the author was talking about how polio was being destroyed and soon whooping cough too would be a thing of the past. It's sad to think that such a clearly desirable, obvious and reachable goal wasn't met."

"California," he said, apparently making an awful connection in his head, "has the highest rate of illegals in the country." I did not want to get into that. I have no idea whether or not that is true and, if it is true, whether or not the illegals are vaccinated.

"Well, what we can address is whether or not people get their shots, so we're giving them out at Dragon*Con for free and letting people know that they need to have boosters. Most people probably don't even realize that they need boosters. Eight kids have died from whooping cough in California this season."

I wanted to say that foreigners and outsiders have always been associated with disease, usually unjustly. That the "infection" and "invasion" metaphors are often interlinked in conspiracist discourse, and that the most recent (and hilarious) version of this reflexively racist sort of thinking was Lou Dobbs' assertion that 7000 cases of leprosy were somehow associated with dirty filthy fucking Mexicans:


"Eight dead?" my new friend mused. "Darwin would have liked that."

"I'm sorry?"

"Well, survival of the fittest. That's what it's all about."

"Dead children? You know, his favorite daughter died from a disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine fifty years later. I can guarantee you that Darwin would have approved of the vaccine," I said. By the smirk on the attendant's face, I realized that in his mind I had just proved Darwin was a hypocrite somehow. "That's the thing," I continued, "You can't graft morality onto a law of nature. It happens whether or not Darwin approves of its effects. It happens regardless of whether or not Darwin discovers it. Heck, it sounds more like something his cousin would have said, but he was a eugenicist, trying to intelligently design a population, and that's not science. There is nothing in evolutionary theory to suggest it should be used to guide public policy."

Nothing. He just smiled.

"Let's say, for instance, that you were right," I tried, "that it is a matter of the survival of the fittest. Evolution happens not in individuals but in populations. As an adaptive species, it increases the fitness of everyone if we develop and use vaccines."

Nothing. He just smiled. Smiling is like a force field against reason. This is why I am such dour son of a bitch.

"And, now that I think about it, the outbreak is not limited to where there are high rates of illegal immigration, since Australia, which has taken some controversially draconian immigration stances in recent years..."

"That'll be $77," he said in that upper class Southern accent that often trips my gaydar even though the speaker has a wedding ring.

Other than apparently holding completely untenable political and pseudoscientific beliefs (imagine, thought reduced to talking points!), I thought that he was very nice and helpful and misguided. Totally not interested in talking about it.

Harumph,

HJ

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

GAH! Well, your efforts to educate him were heroic. I will be there with bells on! :) I have had a TDaP booster within the past 2 years, so I'm probably not eligible for another one... unless by my getting one, I can guilt one of my friends into getting one. >:) Or my spouse, who is not averse, he just never flippin' remembers to get around to it.

--Perky Skeptic

Liz Ditz said...

vaccine refusal by rich white people in California is up to 50% in some schools

Fortunately, not all the citizens of San Diego are as dim as the Waldorf schools guy or the anti-vaccination woman:


The parents that do not get their children immunized should be charged if any of their children infect other people or classmates. They should pass a law that levies steep fines and possibly jail time for these irresponsible parents.

When I hear people say "I didn't vaccinate my kid and they never got sick, so there!" I say
get down on your knees and give thanks to the people around your kids who did get vaccinated. If a critical number of people don't vaccinate, then an eventual outbreak of an otherwise preventable disease will harm or kill children and all of their un-vaccinated friends.


Then let's make special schools for the kids that do not choose to be vaccinated. AND special doctor's offices for the little sicks ones so they don't pass their completely preventable disease on to infants before they can get vaccinated. If we can protect everyone else, then and only then am I ok with it.

If this trend of not vaccinating our children continues, if it takes hold and becomes the "fashion" not to vaccinate....God help us. Are we going to have to experience whooping cough, diphtheria, measles, mumps and polio, on a huge scale, before we see reason? How many years of not vaccinating our children will it take before a real epidemic of a preventable disease is seen? If parents think this couldn't happen in America, they are wrong. Knowledge may be power, but, too much information has made some people stupid.

have a 5 year old autistic child who I DO get vaccinated. I too am an intelligent and educated mother and I put no stock into the so called link between vaccinations and autism. In fact, it has been my experience in talking to other people that they agree in the connection because of Jenny McCarthy. Outrageous! As the article stated, the link has been debunked. My autistic child is entering kindergarten next week and I made sure his vaccinations were up to date. My own grandmother nearly died of polio in the 50's after giving birth to my mom. The diseases that they prevent are horrible yet preventable though vaccines.

Diseases kill people in large numbers. Vaccines help people avoid contracting disease (but are by no means perfect at it). No evidence exists linking the taking of vaccines to any disorders. However, evidence clearly exists that not getting vaccinated is an contributing factor to the spread of disease (from your own quote). Evidence also exists that not getting vaccinated puts other people at risk. This is science and is fact. Choosing not to get vaccinated is not a decision based on "beliefs" or "awareness", it's based on idiocy.

Having grown up in the 50's when parents were absolutely elated when their children were given a way to avoid polio, then rampant, I just don't understand the shortsighedness of these parents. Personally, I think they ought to have the option to not give their kids vaccines, but let them educate the kids elsewhere. They shouldn't be allowed to attend a public school and present a danger to the great majority of children who are protected. Shame on the parents who are so stubborn that they wouldn't choose to protect their children in a scientifically proven manner of benefit to the greater society.

Bing said...

Liz,

I strongly agree with you up to a point (actually with pretty much everything). I think that the idea of keeping kids out of schools might hurt their education because their parents are idiots. That's not their fault. I would say, however, that vaccination is a pillar of modern public health, and if you are able to be vaccinated, then you should in fact be vaccinated.

Perky,

I look forward to seeing you again at D*C. I am very, very excited, after being so blown away last year. I bought a good camera just for the weekend! I'm very excited that the Aussie skeptics are coming. In fact, most of the podcasters that I have listened to over the last year are showing, and that's swell.

Also, stormtroopers.

HJ