Ken Ham surprised to hear he's a "wackaloon"
As I watched Marky "Mark" Wahlburg in Planet of the Apes, my thoughts turned, as a young man's often do, to Ken Ham, who looks like Dr. Cornelius. Anyway, I learned that Ham has a blog, and I can get a daily infusion of goof right into my bloodstream.
I usually glance at PZ's Pharyngula blog. It comes through on the scienceblogs.com feeds, and I like it. He even linked to me once, which was a hoot!
He could have called you worse than wackaloon, Ham, many of the names incorporating words like, say, "colostomy," "pig"and "licker."
PZ Myers, a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota–Morris, ranted in a blog item (which is apparently quite popular among anti-creationists) about my speaking at a prayer breakfast at the Pentagon. The arrogance and intolerance of some of these people is remarkable. Considering this person is supposed to be an academic teaching good research skills to students at a university, I would not want to trust any of his lectures considering the logic he used in his recent blog.Oh, well played. Very, very droll. Pig colostomy. Let's look at PZ's logic.
He stated:Well, aside from the fact that the brass is having truly unhinged piglickers come in, are willing to take moral guidance from someone who doesn't even have enough regard for reality to look at it before making inane and uninformed pronouncements, who is, let's face it, a little stupid and wouldn't know critical thinking or intellectual honesty if they stood up in his soup and danced erotically for him, it is profoundly irritating that I paid for the room.
"There are people at the Pentagon who are in charge of planning where your sons and daughter and nephews and nieces and other beloved family members and friends will be sent to put their lives at risk. There are military personnel there who can send missiles and bombers anywhere in the world. There are people there who control nuclear weapons.And they think Ken Ham is a fine-and-dandy, clever feller.
It’s almost enough to make me wish I could pray. It’s not just Ham, either—it’s that the people with the big guns have prayer breakfasts."
What does the colostomy licker have to say?
Over 23,000 people work at the Pentagon. I spoke to 100 Christians at a prayer breakfast—less than 0.5% of the Pentagon workforce (good response from those present by the way).Doesn't matter. My dime.
The military is now one of the most “politically correct” places in the USA. Not only do Christians have the freedom to meet—but so do Muslims, Hindus, and almost any other group you could name. Of course, if I had been a Muslim and went to the Pentagon to address a Muslim prayer breakfast, I’m sure PZ Myers would not have ranted against that—it is only Christians one is allowed to be intolerant of nowadays, it seems.He has set the bar insanely low for political correctness--not letting Christians have sole control of the wacky boat. Any other group...how about the queers? Sorry, you walked into that one. And wouldn't PZ be opposed to Muslims meeting with the blessing of the brass? There's no reason to give them special treatment, either, Ken. Have your prayer meetings before and outside of work. I don't see why a public school can keep out prayer meetings but the other branches of public service get to have theirs. I agree with PZ on this one. I want the people who are running the military to be fully committed to reality, evidence, and reason. I'm reading Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World, and he stresses the importance of understanding the awesome powers that science has put in our hands, and it seems that an important part of this project is to respect the method which underpins the Enlightenment, Scientific Revolution, the Space Age, and...whatever comes next.
What’s he so worked up about anyway? If he’s right, God doesn’t exist—so prayer can’t do anything and, therefore, can’t harm anything.Boy, you just totally changed the topic there. It's like a red herring had sex with a straw man. Oh, your prayers will go unanswered, Ken, but that's not the point. The point is that we have had quite enough faith-based military excursions for one generation of crippled soldiers, thank you very much.
But, then, who cares about harm in a world without moral absolutes? It’s the survival of the fittest; so, evolution will inexorably eliminate these weak-minded “idiots” at the Pentagon. If they nuke some people along the way, so what?I'm not certain that intelligence is a trait conducive to survival yet. You guys breed like crazy. Seriously, that's where the rubberlessness hits the road. Also, there are developmentally disabled microbes on Titan who can see the gaps in your reasoning. You guys really think that "absolute" mean "valuable," even if it means flushing "reality" down the "toilet."
But, then, who cares about harm in a world without moral absolutes? It’s the survival of the fittest; so, evolution will inexorably eliminate these weak-minded “idiots” at the Pentagon. If they nuke some people along the way, so what?Find the bit where PZ, Dawkins, Harris, Dennet, or any other notable advocate of science said, "Oh, well," to a human atrocity. Just once. One time. Ever. In the sum of their collected writings. Just a single time.
Notice how these evolutionists use such emotive language and name calling (e.g., “wackaloon”)—very academic, scientific arguments!Dude, you just implied that he endorsed global nuclear genocide! Wackaloon is absolutely tame compared to that.
Science has this funny way of dropping the unhelpful, classifying it as, well, "not useful" and moving on with it. And what gets tossed onto the trash heap is not up to the scientists, it's up to the universe (this is something that folks who fail to understand science and its methods should understand). And seriously, by all objective standards you're wackallunacy's poster boy, Ken.
HJ








8 comments:
You so rule, HJ!
Regards,
Tengrain
(your humble servant)
Harris comes pretty close to saying "Oh, well." He more or less endorses waging massive war against the Islamic world simply on the basis that they are Muslim.
"Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them. " from The End of Faith.
"Where the rubberlessness hits the road" deserves to go down in the History of Usefully Re-engineered Cliches. Kudos!
pegleghippie: I call quote mining. Here's the full passage:
"The power that belief has over our emotional lives appears to be total. For every emotion that you are capable of feeling, there is surely a belief that could invoke it in a matter of moments. Consider the following proposition:
Your daughter is being slowly tortured in an English jail.
What is it that stands between you and the absolute panic that such a proposition would loose in the mind and body of a person who believed it? Perhaps you do not have a daughter, or you know her to be safely at home, or you believe that English jailors are renowned for their congeniality. Whatever the reason, the door to belief has not yet swung upon its hinges.
The link between belief and behaviour raises the stakes considerably. Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them. This may seem an extraordinary claim, but it merely enunciates an ordinary fact about the world in which we live. Certain beliefs place their adherents beyond the reach of every peaceful means of persuasion, while inspiring them to commit acts of extraordinary violence against others. There is, in fact, no talking to some people. If they cannot be captured, and they often cannot, otherwise tolerant people may be justified in killing them in self-defense. This is what the United States attempted in Afghanistan, and it is what we and other Western powers are bound to attempt, at an even greater cost to ourselves and to innocents abroad, elsewhere in the Muslim world. We will continue to spill blood in what is, at bottom, a war of ideas." (The End of Faith, p52-53.)
He's making a point about the nature of belief, not endorsing war.
HJ: At "wouldn't know critical thinking or intellectual honesty if they stood up in his soup and danced erotically for him" I was chortling. At "It's like a red herring had sex with a straw man", you became my own personal Jesus-figure. Nice post.
As always, the way you play with words, phrases and nuggets of wisdom show your talent for writing and your feel for your native tongue.
Keep the sharp whit and tongue coming man!
I see others enjoyed this one. Personally, I quite liked "The point is that we have had quite enough faith-based military excursions for one generation of crippled soldiers, thank you very much."
Until these asshats show a commitment to those crippled soldiers when they come home, they're morally bankrupt, and I don't care if it was their religious faith that broke the bank or not.
Justice Scalia wrote a paper a few years ago about how a religious society is more inclined to have a death penalty because they don't see the finality of death. Not much of a stretch to extend that thinking to the ease our leaders have in sending are young to die. That alone is reason enough to object to the prayers at the Pentagon.
"Notice how these evolutionists use such emotive language and name calling"
Notice how these creationists use hitler, crime and gay sex to dispute evolution! Clearly they only wish to engage in "rational debate"
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